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A “sex novel” written by a celibate priest?

I’m going to go out on a limb here and say that pretty much nobody who regularly reads this is going to have much of a clue about what I’m saying here.

Let’s begin at the beginning.

There is a sannyasi named Satsvarupa das Goswami. A sannyasi is a celibate priest. Now, personally, I’m a HUGE fan of Satsvarupa Maharaja. I’m REALLY into his poetry and his art. Quite a lot. I’ve read some of his novels and they’re pretty good too.

Sometimes he stretches the boundaries on just what it is that a sannyasi should be doing, but that’s part of the charm as well.

However, his latest book, I feel, takes it WAY too far.

Here’s an excerpt:

“Bold as she was, she placed his hands on her breasts. She then kissed him and placed her tongue in his mouth. His tongue also entered hers. She embraced him and by now he had a half erection… Braja dasa sat down and calmed his genitals……… He didn’t want to stick his genital into some well formed beauty star. He wanted Sandy. And he had heard from a Godbrother who worked as a physical therapist that a man could even have sexual intercourse with a paraplegic… It’s not just a sticking in of a penis into a vagina. It’s the being together in the touching and the embracing that lead up to the mechanics and the orgasm…”

Well… ok then. This would be a very tame book had pretty much anyone who wasn’t a celibate priest written it. But no. A celibate priest wrote it.

Seriously, what the fuck?

I’m not about to propose that my standards are amazingly high, but even I wouldn’t write something like that. And I’m FAR from a celibate priest! And I’m not saying that I’m even fit to judge this on either a spiritual or literary level… but come on.

Now, I’m fairly “liberal” when it comes to spiritual matters. However, one thing that I’m rather conservative about is sannyasi’s dealings with women. Monks too. They choose to be celibate. It’s voluntary. In Krishna consciousness, that means that they should have VERY limited dealings with women. That’s not at all to say that they should be jerks to them or ignore them. Be kind and generous, but the dealings should be extremely limited. And they sure as hell shouldn’t be writing books like this! It’s simply not their place to do so.

Just as, I feel, it’s not their place to give marriage or relationship advice. They shouldn’t be concerned with those matters (let alone that they have no experience in such things!).

Basically, I feel, that if you want to have dealings with women and write books like this, etc, that’s perfectly ok. Just don’t claim to be a celibate monk or priest… cause by this point, it’s rather transparent that something is fishy.

Satsvarupa Maharaja is a guru and a sannyasi in ISKCON (the Krishna consciousness movement). It is my humble and unworthy opinion that perhaps those things should be reconsidered.




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Comment by Sri RadhaNo Gravatar
2007-06-16 10:54:40

What. The. Hell.

 
Comment by jenNo Gravatar
2007-06-16 14:37:25

uhhh, this is really weird

Comment by ericNo Gravatar
2007-06-16 22:34:14

Yes it is. I seriously don’t get it.

 
 
Comment by Nedra ZeallNo Gravatar
2007-06-16 16:15:29

No, seriously? What book is this? Obviously it’s on his mind. Besides just because he is celibate now it doesn’t mean he always was. I’m am curious as to why he would publicly publish this though. What is this book about?

 
Comment by Nedra ZeallNo Gravatar
2007-06-16 16:27:34

From Wikipedia:

Satsvarupa dasa Goswami began suffering from headaches and an anxiety disorder in the early 80s. After twenty years, he suffered a break-down and a precipitous physical decline. Additionally, sometime in 2003 during private meetings with a female therapist, a romantic relationship developed. It was very short lived, but for a sanyassi the consequences were significant[1].

That explains a lot.

Comment by ericNo Gravatar
2007-06-16 22:35:48

Yeah, it does. And I knew all of that, but WHY publish it? WHY?!

He messed up and that is life. We all do. And writing, for him, is therapy, I fully understand that. But why why WHY publish it?!

 
 
Comment by Nedra ZeallNo Gravatar
2007-06-17 22:06:46

I don’t know. Maybe he feels like if no one reads it he can’t let go of it. Well that’s me imposing my own reasons for writing certain things. We won’t understand it unless we ask him and I know I for one won’t be doing that.

Comment by ericNo Gravatar
2007-06-17 22:35:13

Yeah, I’d love to know the reasons.. but… AWKWARD!

 
 
Comment by Nedra ZeallNo Gravatar
2007-06-17 23:02:23

Yeah, seriously. He must think that some people will question his reasoning.

 
Comment by PraveenNo Gravatar
2007-06-19 15:50:41

i read this on the sampradaya sun a couple weeks ago myself and thought it was super weird. I mean, if a grihastha or vanapratha wrote it- I could excuse it. But a sannyasi?! weird weird weird…

What gets me even more is that its being used as literature at one of our vedic colleges.

All I can say about it is weird weird weird…

My friend has a copy of his newest-not-yet-published books when she went to the Festival of Inspiration, it is entitles “Write and Die”….weird…

Comment by ericNo Gravatar
2007-06-19 16:03:14

Yeah, it just doesn’t make a lot of sense. I mean, I know that it’s four different sentences taken from a few different pages out of a 500 or so page book. And normally, I’d be very against taking things like this out of context…. but come on, maharaja. I think this is out of line.

But I wonder what ISKCON will do. Especially in light of his recentish past. Has he initiated since then?

Comment by PraveenNo Gravatar
2007-06-19 19:39:11

I havent seen ISKCON do anything about it. I’ve been messing around with the idea of telling someone on the GBC about it and see what they think but Im surprised nothing has been done thus far. It also surprises me that this book reading was part of a seminar that took place at the Bhaktivedanta College

I know the excerpt is out of context but the point is, its there- And Im not really sure how it aids in addressing problems Vaisnavas encounter- like they claim the book does.

I remember when he sort of fell down with the therapist and in his statement he stated that he officially stopped initiating. I dont think he has initiated since then.

Do you think you should ask Malati Prabhu about it?

Comment by ericNo Gravatar
2007-06-19 21:56:44

I’m sure by now that ISKCON/GBC know about it. ISKCON is very much like a small town. What can be done, really? I don’t think ISKCON has the power to take away sannyasa, do they? Maybe they could encourage him to do so.

I have a friend who is his disciple, but I’m not sure when she was initiated. He doesn’t initiate, but he still is severed as a guru. I’m not sure how I feel about this, but it doesn’t matter.

I’m surprised that the book was used, but I’m sure they didn’t use this part. There could be tons of other sections of the book that are amazing and appropriate and just all around worthwhile.

Hm… Malati prabhu wouldn’t do much about it, I don’t think. She’d definitely have an opinion on it, but I don’t think she’d do anything about it.

He is a strange devotee. I really respect his vast volume of work. His art and sculpture and poetry is all amazing. But this…. aye aye….

Comment by PraveenNo Gravatar
2007-06-20 18:42:12

They cant take away his sannyasi status because its a personal choice. But they can disassociate the book with ISKCON literature- maybe just make a statement that they are not associated nor do they support this novel.

Its sad, really, I do love his early work. But I read Write and Die and its just effed up. I mean, its brutal raw honestly which is neat because we can see that even sannyasis struggle but, like you said earlier, does it need to be published? I mean, keep a diary and have someone publish it after you die- wouldnt that make more sense?

Im not sure about him staying as a guru either. He has a lot of good theoretical knowledge but his brain is completely fried.

Would Malati Prabhu not do anything or would she not be able to do anything?

you should buy Sanatorium and let us know what its like ;)

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by Nedra ZeallNo Gravatar
2007-06-20 08:49:29

They don’t have the power to stop him from being a sanyasi but they can stop him from practicing within ISKCON. As you said, it’s like a little town and they have done it before.

 

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